We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. -. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. You can, just--there's nothing. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. I didn't have. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. You know? The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. Not too long ago? The documentary was originally released in 2008. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. October 22, 2009: January 28, 2008: MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. The film is by the phenomenal writer, director and composer Kurt Kuenne. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. David Bagby. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. Shirley Turner had some startling news. Andrew came to St. John's. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. She would never go away. David and Kate Bagby channeled their grief & anguish into changing some Canadian laws. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Remember these two things as I go on. "We had to do something.. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. You can't tell them this over the phone. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Couldn't be her. Go away.'. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. And he'd be like(turns. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. MORRISON: But then things changed. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." We. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Now, she sucked us in here, too. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. 2015 - 20153 . hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: March 18, 2008: unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Did. The full hour will not be available online. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. His father says, I kissed him and held him. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. We made this place together, we own it together, we run it together. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. SCREAMS. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. I had a job I loved. He said, `The psychotic bitch. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Creating stronger communities. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. You dont leave it behind. Memorial University Medical School. You will cry. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). This is how Kuenne represents his emotion at hearing the news that the woman who killed his friend had also killed his friends son. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. The film ends with the Bagbys and their relatives, friends, and colleagues reflecting on the father and son, as well as the . 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Click HERE for ticket information. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. MORRISON: What do you do about this? And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. ', Because I know you would be worried if we disappeared for a couple of days or, MORRISON: Was she planning something? MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Sharing voices. Was it a tight bond? MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. Hoping to gain custody of the child, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland. The news and opinions youll love for only $10 for 1 year. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. will not hurt Zachary, period. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. It's. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. They held their breath. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. I had this overwhelming feeling. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance While that change felt good, David wanted more. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. They're like, `What do you mean?' Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). did. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. I'm absolutely sure. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. murderer in check. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. September 28, 2008: Why? This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. Click here for ticket information! would be the difference if one person weren't alive? Blood red screen. Ad Choices. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. And we came back. the water. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr. Shirley Turner,. Senior Writer and Project Manager. Oh, my God. It's great. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Then, suddenly, tears. then one day I realized what it was. Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. At least he might have asleep when she went in. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Read the DocuWeek Q&A with writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne HERE. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? Is it OK? -. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. We did have him for a little while, she said. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. IE 11 is not supported. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. Check your local listings for channel info. get in there, if that's what she demanded. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Play trailer 2:39. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. She was coming here to take care of me. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. her. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. He said, `What can happen?'. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Why would she say that if he wasn't? especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? We need each other, have each other to get through this.". We thought of him as a hostage, said David. There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. Djing. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. December 15, 2009: Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. Because she didnt know love either. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. We. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. We're churning. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years.
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